shooting at the piazza (outside pyt)

[carpetbagger]

article here: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncr ... -dead.html

[AmyT]

This is such a shame. We heard the gunshots last night but didn't hear sirens and we live very close to the Piazza.

[NoLibPerson]

Some of the comments on the article are interesting; obviously, plenty of idiotic comments as well. Sad state of affairs when you can't go get an adult milkshake without getting shot. Love the part in the article where a piazza employee kept trying to tell reporters that Hancock is a private street and they would have to move. The police supposedly corrected the employee several times, stating that it was a public street and that the reporters were not interfering. Think it's time for more security at the piazza? Would that even help?

[Frank]

Bart has been trying to sell the entire complex from what I hear. This shooting should only help the process by bringing the price down. The Piazza could be amazing int he right hands.

[mythaeus]

Some of the comments on the article are interesting; obviously, plenty of idiotic comments as well. Sad state of affairs when you can't go get an adult milkshake without getting shot. Love the part in the article where a piazza employee kept trying to tell reporters that Hancock is a private street and they would have to move. The police supposedly corrected the employee several times, stating that it was a public street and that the reporters were not interfering. Think it's time for more security at the piazza? Would that even help?

Great areas attract all kinds of people. More security isn't going to help, IMHO, especially against armed confrontations that transpire and escalate in seconds. I'm sure they will add security and increase police presence, which may help a little as a deterrence, but I'm not sure how long they are going to sustain increased security. The best thing to do is know the risks and prepare/observe/act/avoid accordingly.

Al

[NoLibPerson]

Great areas attract all kinds of people. More security isn't going to help, IMHO, especially against armed confrontations that transpire and escalate in seconds. I'm sure they will add security and increase police presence, which may help a little as a deterrence, but I'm not sure how long they are going to sustain increased security. The best thing to do is know the risks and prepare/observe/act/avoid accordingly.

Al

I'm sure security wouldn't prevent someone from pulling out a gun (unless they start some wanding and frisking!), but I do wonder if it would be a deterrent. Basically, if goofball behavior, in general, were less acceptable at the piazza, perhaps it would weed out some of the idiots.

[mattruben]

Several neighbors have been suggesting something more specific than increased security: uniformed Philly police officers on-site for weekend evenings and during large events.

As some here may already know, the Police Dept. allows private businesses (or anyone, I guess) to hire off-duty officers.

Nothing can prevent every type of incident, but I suspect that seeing the official police uniform would have a subtle but real additional deterrent effect.

Best,
Matt

[Domester]

Several neighbors have been suggesting something more specific than increased security: uniformed Philly police officers on-site for weekend evenings and during large events.

As some here may already know, the Police Dept. allows private businesses (or anyone, I guess) to hire off-duty officers.

Nothing can prevent every type of incident, but I suspect that seeing the official police uniform would have a subtle but real additional deterrent effect.

Best,
Matt

This is a fantastic idea. My buddy is a cop in the city and works the Center City area. He loves getting hired to work for private businesses as they usually get paid time and half and it's generally not remoely as stressful as a normal day for them. Two of these guys walking around the Piazza with badges hanging out would have to put an end to crap like this.

Yes I'm aware that brazen crimes take place and police presence doesn't always promise anything but it seems like a scenario like this may have been prevented. You're talking about a totally different type of criminal to have the balls to start blasting rounds off in the Piazza in front of a cop than what happened this morning. Not many people are that dumb.

[TheSomers]

The whole event is both frightening and pathetic that someone would stoop to that level and commit such an atrocious crime. And such a downer after such a great weekend in the neighborhood. After having an early dinner at N 3rd Saturday night, Stephanie and myself spent a few hours at Liberty Lands for the Music Festival which was amazing and then walked through Liberties Walk and the Piazza on our way home. We could not help but to see how busy all the places were, from Sonata to Bar Ferdinand and El Camino being mobbed. Kings Oak had a super crowd which was fantastic to see. Did not really take notice of PYT as they are typically always busy but did notice the new beer garden had a lot of people there as well as Gunners Run. The whole vibe was just great.

Last night, we had a terrific dinner on the deck of Standard Tap. I guess what I am saying is that the crime outside of PYT and the stupidity that came with it cannot take away from all the great things we have going on. Still, the crime has to be addressed to maintain confidence, safety and the quality of life that people have grown accustom to. It is a shame that a few reckless individuals have destroyed their lives and one person lost their live. Over what? Who knows.... probably something that means very little.

But as a community, I think we all can rally around this and work together to continue to do the best we can to make the neighborhood great.

~ Chris

[Positively4thStreet]

The whole event is both frightening and pathetic that someone would stoop to that level and commit such an atrocious crime. And such a downer after such a great weekend in the neighborhood. After having an early dinner at N 3rd Saturday night, Stephanie and myself spent a few hours at Liberty Lands for the Music Festival which was amazing and then walked through Liberties Walk and the Piazza on our way home. We could not help but to see how busy all the places were, from Sonata to Bar Ferdinand and El Camino being mobbed. Kings Oak had a super crowd which was fantastic to see. Did not really take notice of PYT as they are typically always busy but did notice the new beer garden had a lot of people there as well as Gunners Run. The whole vibe was just great.

Last night, we had a terrific dinner on the deck of Standard Tap. I guess what I am saying is that the crime outside of PYT and the stupidity that came with it cannot take away from all the great things we have going on. Still, the crime has to be addressed to maintain confidence, safety and the quality of life that people have grown accustom to. It is a shame that a few reckless individuals have destroyed their lives and one person lost their live. Over what? Who knows.... probably something that means very little.

But as a community, I think we all can rally around this and work together to continue to do the best we can to make the neighborhood great.

~ Chris

I was worried that this crime will affect the Northern Liberties housing market. I am so glad that everything is awesome. Thanks for letting us know.

[jcstomper]

were'd all the comments go?

[wordsalad]

The Piazza was originally presented as a neighborhood gathering place, family friendly. It has turned into a big nuisance bar. If it disappeared tomorrow, I would be thrilled.

Metro article:

http://www.metro.us/philadelphia/local/ ... -schmidt-s

"It does get crazy during the night and attracts all types of riff raff," echoed a nearby kitchen worker, who also asked that his identity not be revealed. "When I worked at Darling's [Diner] overnight, I used to see a lot of fist fights, food fighting and sexual interactions at The Piazza. But a shooting? Never."

"Now that I think about it, it was bound to happen, even though I used to think security would be too tight," he continued. "It's Philly and it's getting hot out. People are getting hot and bothered and they don't know how to act. Things like this happen all over the city – it could happen anywhere."

In this case, the victim, who would have turned 25 in about two weeks, is not unknown to Philadelphia police. Kimble was due in court on July 18 to face allegations of aggravated assault and reckless endangerment following an arrest in November, according to court documents. He was also accused of violating the probation handed down to him in a separate case five years ago.

In that incident, Kimble was charged with criminal conspiracy to commit robbery inflicting serious bodily injury, theft, assault, reckless endangerment and firearms offenses. He pleaded guilty to robbery with the threat of immediate serious injury and was sentenced to a two to four-year prison term and four years of probation. "

[Slinky816]

Daily News is reporting that the police have a person of interest.
RT @morganzalot: Police say they have a person of interest in the Piazza shooting homicide overnight. #phlcrime

[TheSomers]

Positively4thStreet
I was worried that this crime will affect the Northern Liberties housing market. I am so glad that everything is awesome. Thanks for letting us know

You are welcome, although I do not recall stating one word about the housing market. It is a shame that a very serious and sensisitve topic has to be responded to with sarcasm and negativity.

[CaponesDad]

In this case, the victim, who would have turned 25 in about two weeks, is not unknown to Philadelphia police. Kimble was due in court on July 18 to face allegations of aggravated assault and reckless endangerment following an arrest in November, according to court documents. He was also accused of violating the probation handed down to him in a separate case five years ago.

In that incident, Kimble was charged with criminal conspiracy to commit robbery inflicting serious bodily injury, theft, assault, reckless endangerment and firearms offenses. He pleaded guilty to robbery with the threat of immediate serious injury and was sentenced to a two to four-year prison term and four years of probation. "



SEEMS LIKE POETIC JUSTICE!!